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sup73bk

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I have heard some chatter on the forum about this and I have always wanted to do it. Anybody done the H4 conversion? First I need to get new fenders and I have seen kits with bulbs, relays, switches and stuff. What and where have people gotten kits? Is it difficult to wire? Are the headlights significantly brighter?
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Josh

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If you use the standard 60/55W bulbs the stock wiring will handle the load fine. I have Bosch H-4s in my Beetle and there as bright as I need, but if you wish to go to 100/90W bulbs it'd be wise to install a relay system so the headlight switch and hi/lo relay don't have to carry all the current.
Degree of difficulty to install a relay system varies depending upon how comfortable/competent you are with electrical work and how complex of a system you opt for (for example, on your `72 the headlamp current goes through the "X" terminal of the ignition switch - if you want to remove that load from the ignition switch and still have the lights turn off with the key it'll take a little more wiring than if you leave it as-is).
I honestly think you'll be happy with 60/55W bulbs so I won't go into detail about relay wiring at this time...
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The standard tungsten sealed beam that comes with the Beetle is known in the industry as a 6014. They do make a sealed halogen replacement that you can use to get the halogen brightness without any conversion problems. It's known as an H6014.
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But the cool thing about true H4 lights is that you can get them with flat cutoff, or "Z-beam" low beams that keep them from dazzling oncoming drivers. The light is concentrated where you need it rather than wasted, which makes them seem brighter than their wattage rating would suggest.
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We completed our 73 this year and the week before we went to our first show we were driving around thinking "these sealed beams suck!" Then while "fixing" the wiring later I busted a tab off the bulb. So off to Crappy tire for a replacement. Then there they were looking back at us h4 bosch kit $80 or $15 a piece for the sealed beams. It was no problem talking the wife into that one. They are a zillion times brighter and have the light cut-off on the low beams. Its just a plug in deal with the standard bulbs.
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Bullyboy, the H4 bosch kit, is it just the halogen bulb talked about above or is it the H4 Bosch kit with no relays, or is it the one with relays.

Marc, I would like to get the ones with the relays, because they are brighter and I feel confident about doing wiring, but since I don't know what you are talking about with the "X" terminal off the top of my head maybe I should just go with the lower wattage one.

Wayne, how much do the halogen bulbs run?

I am not feeling confident now with the electrical because I having problems with my brake lights and my right running light, so...
Anyways, thanks for the posts.


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You want two relays (one for low beam and one for high beam) ... wire them between the output of the stock hi/lo dimmer relay (or switch) and the fusepanel, one in the white wire and one in the yellow wire.

If you're only interested in reducing the load on the switches you can use the existing B+ wiring...that's where the differences between pre`71 and `71-up cars show up, on early cars power from the battery first comes to the headlight switch and on later ones it first comes to the fusepanel plus the light switch has separate sources of power for the headlamps and the tail/parking lamps, and the latter is too light to handle the current of the headlamps.

Best IMO is to add a new 10GA wire dedicated to the headlamps directly from the battery to the relay inputs (with a circuit breaker at the battery end). Not only does this assure adequate current to the headlamps but it eliminates the need for you to touch any of the stock wiring except for the yellow and the white wires.
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Marc, thanks for the reply you sound like a wiring guru, but I am a little confused, can you send some pics?  I don't have my book in front of me, but is the relay you are referring to the one under the back seat drivers side? When you say breaker can you be more specific or give a picture. Are you talking like an inline fuse? Or is it more than that.  Also, I would be doing this on a 2/72 super beetle so I am assuming this is the later correct. 
The later doesn't seem like the best for the H4 conversion, but was done to be safer and start less electrical fires, correct?

Thanks Again!

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Here's a page with a bunch of options for you. I couldn't find the sealed 7" halogen bulb that we used to carry but I'm sure one of these will do the trick.

http://www.classicgarage.com/7rounh4headb.html

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Thanks I think I will give them a try once I get some $$.


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Hey, Wayne old post, but you said that the bulbs are called #6014, but all I see on the page you linked me to; were replacements for #6024, will this work?  I have a headlight out and thought now is the time to get the H6014 you were talking about, but all they have is the H6024 replacements.  Thanks for the help.  Below is the link at the ones I was thinking about getting, will they work?

http://www.classicgarage.com/autbran7roun.html


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I have always used Hella H4 Quartz Halogen sealed beam headlamps in My Vehicles [until they eren't 7" round] including many later VWs

ie.. 12 volt VWs.... IMHO the 12v H4 hella Quartz Halogen sealed beam 60/55 watt are the best headlamp as the reflectors are new and cannot get contaminated etc.... only problem, is stone chips... the headlamp still works but is illegal with a stone chip in it.... so I Now use H4 Narva 12v 60/55W PLUS 50s Bulbs in My Vehicles..

These are 50% Brighter on Low Beam and 30% brighter on High beam

with NO INCREASE of Wattage.... They are filled with Xenon gas instead of Halogen I believe.... the bulbs are supposed to have up to 65% longer life too.... Hella also make these Xenon filled Bulbs...

The Bulbs cost around $30 a pair and the sealed beam units cost around $70 each in Australia...   slightly MORE expensive than in the US

 

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Yelp I did it and luv  them and the fog lamps on a foggy nite. I did  not buy the Motorworks type i went to JC Whitney for the plan clear type housings But you can only run a 55 watt halogen bulb legaly in some states.
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i have these in my super and i love them , i'm running the silverstar brand bulb with them , and what a difference.

the part # is WI-HL7A

http://www.pilotautomotive.com/headlamp1.html

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Be careful not to go real big with the bulbs or you will melt the cases. But If  anyone offers the cases in glass You  then have no limits ecept by legality. of th state yo live in.

But even the 55s made me happy.

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