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dods1600

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I had it out when it snowed the first day, but even I'll admit I don't think my little beetle would beable to handle this. Plus brushing off all the snow is a pain in the butt.



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I feel your pain my brother living in Canada. I'd like to take my Beetle out for a spin in the white stuff but they use too much salt on the roads up here.

PS: That's a great picture, would you mind if I used it for the desktop calendar for next month?

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Reply with quote  #3 
 What is that white stuff??
 
Loren (In the Arizona Sonoran Desert....It's gonna be in the 6o degree area today)

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Ron

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Reply with quote  #4 
Wayne, I kinda wished I had driven my beetle when I was visiting Canada a couple of weeks ago (just to see how it handled in the white stuff, we don't get snow much here in South Carolina an inch or two every couple of years; that's usually enough to close down the town!). I decided not to drive it due to the road salt up there so instead I drove my Toyota MR2 Spyder instead. Bad choice!!! Although the spyder handles extremely well in dry pavement (mid-engined car), on snow it's another matter entirely...

I drove from Montreal (absolutely beautiful city....your French brothers said that Ottawa and the English community as a whole doesn't treat them fairly!) to Toronto (another really nice place) when the show really began to fall... Well.. to make a long story short by the time I got though rush hour traffic (hey they have those things up there too!!!) there was about 2-3" of the while stuff on the expressway and it was coming down in buckets. I had driven in show before (stationed in Germany in my younger days) and consider myself a somewhat decent driver so I knew what to do once the rear end of the car began twitching....I slowed way down (about 30 mph, stayed in my lane, no sudden movements with the steering wheel, no quick downshifting and NO Braking....I felt pretty good about myself enjoying the beautiful Canadian scenery when, faster than the blink of an eye the back end snapped around and I was off on my sleigh ride!!!...

I didn't even have time to correct the slide as once the the back comes around it comes ALL the way around (a common trait with mid-engined cars), so here I was siding completely backward across the QEW creating a real pretty backward snow rooster-tail across the expressway (funny how you remember these types of things after the fact, well...it wasn't like I had much to do at the time I was just along for the ride by then!!!) By the time that I had stopped sliding, I had slid across all 4 lanes of traffic and came with a foot of striking the retaining wall in the median....The Good Lord was certainly with me that night...Whew!!!! Wonder if I'll ever get that stain out of my seat!

Several people stopped ther cars and got out to see if I was was OK (Canadians are real nice people). After I composed myself and checked my car, I limped up the highway 15-20 mph the rest of the way to Buffalo....

I think that I may want to wait until spring before I come back.....

Ron (snow and spyders don't mix) Spears




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Reply with quote  #5 
Actually, I do protest!  My own little Super makes it just fine on the snowy roads that we've had in Michigan, lo these past several days.  Gunter starts like a champ first thing, every morning (using the "cold start" method I've delineated under the "Super Beetles" forum) and faithfully gets me there, where ever "there" turns out to be for that day.
 
I keep my tools in the trunk for a little added weight on the turning wheels.  Beyond that, the engine and drive axle being over the drive wheels makes for rather steady driving in adverse Winter weather.  Remember, guys and girls... these things were conceived, developed and built in Germany!  You think that we get snow around here??  LOL.
 
All that it takes is a little additional driving skill to handle one of these little beasts in the snow.  At the age of 38, I have just around twenty years worth of Winter driving under my belt!  In short, I hail from an era when you drove the car, not it driving you!  With some care, and steady reflexes, anyone can learn to drive in the white stuff in an old car... especially in an old Volkswagen!

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dods1600

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Reply with quote  #6 
Ya sure Wayne that would be great.
I do agree that beetles are great with some care but I'm in vancouver it's awful icy snow and the city is just useless at doing anything about it, so it's not exactly the beetle but the Vancouver drivers I'm worried about. i mean it stopped snowing 3 days ago and there are still icy roads everywhere... Vancouver+snow=mental breakdown for city. But I digress

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Well, actually, my name is Daniel, nick name "New Yorker in Michigan".
 
I can fully dig what you mean about "other drivers".  Here in Bay City, Michigan, however, my worries have less to do with the weather and more to do with the fact that the majority of the folks in this town drive like freakin' morons!  Not just in Bay City, either, but the Tri-City area in general, which is comprised of the cities of Bay City, Saginaw and Midland.  I had a Saturn SC2 that was lambasted twice by people who claimed that they "didn't see" me.  It was a fire-engine-red Saturn, but they didn't see me!  Again, only two years ago, I had a beautiful Ford Ranger sprayed all over Euclid Avenue, Bay City, because some idiot kid in a ratted out, rusty Aerostar missed his left hand turn and smashed right into me.  Again, only a couple of weeks ago, a dip ran a red light at a near by busy intersection, quite nearly taking out the rear end of my precious VW.  Thank goodness those narrow tires bite right down into the pavement, rather than sitting on top of the snow, for "Gunter" was able to hustle us out of harm's way and avoid getting slammed into!
 
I do understand, however, one having reluctance with driving in such awful weather.  It may not be as bad here in Michigan as it is in Vancouver, but I do know what trying to manage through these months of abysmal, crap weather is like as well. 
 
Warm regards, and hopes for a short Winter!

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nipper552003

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I would love to drive my old bug "NelleyBelle" in the winter, as I have many fond memories of being a young man and buzzing around quite well in the deep white stuff with old VW's (anemic heating and defrosting notwithstanding).  However, they use tons of salt on the roads here at the slightest whisper of snow or ice, and it would break my heart to have her rust away in just a couple of years.  So she and I wait patiently until we see the spring sun again, probably about mid-March or early April... sniff.
John Scribner (in NW Ohio.)
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Hey Ron, the next time you're making the trip north drop me an email. I'm near Toronto and maybe we could hook up to share some Bug tails.

As far as the VW Beetle and the snow, it was nicknamed the "original snowmobile" because it's so good in the white stuff.

VW even had a television ad asking "Have you ever wondered how the man who drives the snowplough drives to the snowplough?" The answer appears on the screen, "this one drives a Volkswagen. So you can stop wondering."

Here's a few vintage ads about the Beetle and snow;







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Reply with quote  #10 
Ah, there are several Canadians in the house!  I have been fortunate enough to visit many cities within the Province of Ontario, both by bus (from New York) and by car (from Michigan).  I wouldn't recommend the bus thing, by the way, and that has absolutely nothing to do with Canada!  I will just never take a bus again if I can help it!
 
I had mentioned once before how I had taken my little '73 1303 Auto to Toronto, once.  Got me there quite effortlessly and without incident!  As a native of the city of New York, with family ties in the state of Michigan, Toronto had it all!  What can I possibly write that hasn't been said about that town?  It has all that I love about large cities, yet it possesses much of the small town appeal that I've come to appreciate as well!  With Ontario being neighbor to both of my homes, the Empire State and the Great Lakes State, it's been a nice holiday spot for me to visit time and time again, over the years!

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nipper552003

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Reply with quote  #11 
Wayne- great old ads!  The VW PR people really had a knack for plugging their product.  In a way, I'm glad VW today doesn't use their heritage of the old air-cooled models to plug their new cars- I think it would stimulate a buying/collecting frenzy that might put these great little cars out of the reach of many of us.  Hereabouts, when VW introduced their new Beetle, the price of old bugs jumped terribly.  So much so, I couldn't find an affordable one in good shape, and settled for  Karmann Ghia instead- not the best car for a new restorer to cut his teeth on.  When I finally found my '64, I couldn't resist, even though it was still a somewhat high price. 
Wish we had nice deep snow without all the salt dumped on it.  I'd be out Volkssleddin', as we used to call it when I was a teenager.  Scraping the frost off the inside of the windshield, and every once in awhile stopping to get the snow and ice off the outside, too.  One time I caught my girlfriend out parking with another guy in a VW bug in the winter.  Me and the carload of guys I was with pushed them deep into the snowdrift/ditch almost on their side.  That girl still doesn't speak to me....
John Scribner
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John,
It has been my impression that the New Beetle has both been riding on the coat tails of its predecessor and also attempting to build a reputation of its own.  I personally found some of the ad campaigns to be a bit too... un-Volkswagen-esque, frankly.  Some of them, however,  had a bit of the old flair (without the cleverly-staged self-deprecation).
 
My favorites among these were the faux documentaries concerning arches and domes of antiquity.  A speaker is standing before a Roman aqueduct or a domed temple / mosque discussing into the camera the unparalleled virtues of ancient man's invention of such structures.  He goes on about how nothing hence has been built by man to equal the qualities of such structures, etc.  In the back ground, a humble-looking little New Beetle rolls into the picture... a clear mimicry of these ancient concepts concerning round, dome-shaped structures.  A passenger in the car gets out to take a picture of the ancient building while the "expert" continues to speak into the camera.  Everyone piles back into the Bug while the speaker concludes his exhortation of the arch / dome, unknowingly having also plugged the physical virtues of the New Beetle.
 
It is inevitable that the Newbee will ride on the legacy of the original Beetle.  In many ways, by design, it has deliberately borrowed many design cues from the original... right down to the dash-mounted bud vase!  C'est la VW, n'est-ce pas?

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Reply with quote  #13 
Thanks Wayne! I'll PM you when I make my way back up there but I will probably spring or summer before I do. I loved the old beetle ads...real cool. Yeah, I bet it would have been fun to drive ole Helga (my Beetle) up there, I am sure that it would have handled better than the spyder in the snow (despite the driver!) but the salt used in NY probably would have played havoc with the pans (although mine are solid and undercoated). I didn't want to take the chance. Modern cars deal with this much better (plastic fender liners, better undercoating and so forth....). It took me 2 hours to clean the salt residue from the underside of the spyder (sometimes using a high pressure water hose....). I am not being anal here, the radiator and hydraulic lines run from the front of the car to the engine bay in the back and these lines are largely exposed to the elements so, any salt here would probably corrode the lines, connectors pretty quickly.

I still had a good time "up there". I think an old pickup or FWD vehicle would probably be the best choice for show driving since are beetles are too valuable to risk driving in those conditions. But it would have been great to try it just once......

P.S. sorry adout the slow response, just got back into town and back to the computer.

Ron
nak45z

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Reply with quote  #14 

We got snow in south texas (Brownsville) in Dec. 25, it had not snowed since 1895.  It was great, we finally had a white christmas.  i had always wanted a white christmas, but I happen to be at a vacation cruise shipped while it snowed, bummer.  I missed the snow in my hometown.  I was in Panama on the twenty fifth.  I would not been able to drive my bug because it is still not done.  by the time i got back from vacation most of my plants were dead, oh well mike....

dan71

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Reply with quote  #15 
     I had mine stored since mid September and after that snow fall in December, I could not resist the temptation to take it out for a few pictures.

         Daniel

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