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Sneaks

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Hey, I'm new so I thought I'd post up a little project thread. I actually have 2 in progress and a 3rd about to be added. I signed up here because of that one, I'm a member over at STF and thesamba as well. As you can tell by the topic title, it is a '73 Super that was campaigned in the 70's and 80's as a SCCA Rally car. I will need to do a bunch more research on its history but I've known about this car for about 11 years. It started back in 1998 when I found the newsgroup RAMVA (rec.autos.maker.vw.aircooled) and I joined up when I first wanted to find a project VW after many years away from the hobby. I posted something along the lines of 'looking for project VW to work on with son' and got an interesting reply. A man a few towns away from me had a 73 Super that used to be a rally car and wanted it out of his yard. We communicated back and forth a few times and I made the trip to see it. The car didn't belong to him, he used to be a crew member on the team and was storing it in his yard for the owner who had retired to NJ and now he was looking to get it out of his yard. Sitting under a tree was this orange and black Super with OLD OLD OLD SCCA and Uniroyal logos on it (and this strange crazed duck sticker too). Closer inspection showed this wasn't just an any old VW but was actually a competition car. It had rally gauges, full cage, competition seats and harness, etc. The man, Bill, and his wife Stef were wonderful and I really enjoyed talking to them. They told me some history about this car, how it was campaigned in the early 70s in the USA and worldwide in professional rally racing with a crew and driver of VW and Porsche staff and was even photographed and discussed in an article in Popular Mechanics. Since they didn't actually own the car, they couldn't sell it to me directly but they thought the owner would do so inexpensively so they put me in touch with him. He was a wonderful character and spent several hours on the phone with me detailing the history plus the cache of parts he had stored. He wanted it to all go as a package for about $2500, more than I had or was willing to spend at the time so I had to pass on the deal. IIRC, the cache of parts included 8 complete sets of rims/tires of many configurations, several engines, transaxles, front beams (disk), body parts, etc. I do remember him saying it was a storage container full. I THINK he said something about disks for the rear as well but I really can't remember now. I documented the whole experience on RAMVA in a thread called 'One Special Super.' I really fell for that car and thought about it often over the past 11 years, wondered if any of the members of RAMVA that I tried to put in touch with the owner ever got it.

Yesterday I'm on Freecycle looking to get rid of some stuff when I come across a post for free firewood with an email address that looked familiar. I took a chance and shot an email to them asking if they were possibly the same people from 11 years ago, and if they were, whatever happened to the car. Well, if you couldn't guess by this point, they are the same people. The car is still there. The owner passed about 6 months ago and just this past weekend they were talking to his widow and she just wanted them to get rid of it.

I'm picking it up in the next week. Free. Now, it has been sitting for 10 years outside so I expect it might not be easily restorable and could possibly complete junk, but I really don't care. Call me crazy, but I still want this car. The last message from her also mentioned the parts in NJ but I don't want to get my hopes up. I told my wife and she was like 'Oh. Great. <sigh> Ok.' I will get pictures as soon as I can. My neighbors are going to HATE me. Oh well. I hope to get over there this weekend to take some pictures and figure out what I need to get it home.

My current projects are a '68 Emory Baja tribute which I hope to have on the road before the summer is over.
The original baja by Gary Emory in case you are not familiar with it:



and my interpretation so far





My daughter's first car (she's 15 1/2), 73 Standard on a 75 pan with a 1835/042 heads/Engle 110/Weber Progressive/Dual Qpack, GM Rally wheels with 215/60-15s on front and 255/60-15 at the rear, 2" over-stock fibreglass fenders front and rear, Porsche cobalt blue...still a work in progress and not on the road yet (she's learning to drive in my truck and learning a stick in my '85 Mustang GT).



Thanks for taking a look!

~Sneaks
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That is so cool! I love that old photo of the Baja and thanks for the post!


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Thanks! That's frost on the blue one and not peeling clear coat, btw, it still is a bit cold up here in NH in the mornings
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thats looking great , I would like to see your beam painted silver ,,,please it would make you need a second look to see the differance... 


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diggin the blue one

Is that a fiero in the background?

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thats looking great , I would like to see your beam painted silver ,,,please it would make you need a second look to see the differance... 

I've been going back and forth on that, I think I will do it. Thanks!

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Is that a fiero in the background?
Yup, that is my son's project. 88 with a lunched 2.5, he's building a turbo 2.2 to go in it.



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Not really a barn find but a next to a barn find?



So, I got to go up and see it tonight. Spent some time talking to Bill and Stef, got a little more info on the car. Not a complete history because so much time had passed and Bill was the navigator, Al the owner (since passed) wrenched on the car more...but had a great talk with them anyway. Bill told a few stories about running in the Alcan with this car and a rally in South Africa. The car was photographed for an article on the Alcan in Road & Track, I believe some time in 1992. If anyone has a copy they could scan for me, I'd be very grateful! Bill hoped I wouldn't be disappointed because the stock engine isn't in the car, it is still down in NJ with the rest of the parts, or that car would take some work to return to stock. He seemed pleased I didn't want to return it to stock and instead wanted to restore it to its competition days. The motor in the car current was 'really warmed over' but the details not known. I guess I'll find out when I get it home and dive into it! Bill did mention the brakes were upgraded, I looked and could see disks on the front with Porsche on the calipers. Under the hood (getting crumbly along the bottom edge, after releasing the rubber clamps, is a custom strut bar and connections for the calibrated odometer. The car has a nice heavy front skid plate and mounts for a tow bar plus hard points for driving lights. Inside are two old-school (but pretty nice) racing buckets, several custom gauges (couldn't see what they were in the fading light, roll cage,no back seat, racing harnesses, and surprisingly solid floors. Other parts of the body, not so pretty, the running boards are shot, the rockers look soft, the fenders need love, etc, but overall, for a car that has sat outside under spruce trees for over 10 years, not that bad of shape. Bill and both think because the tires are not flat due to having racing tubes in them, the car didn't come into as close ground contact as most cars that would have sat like this, helping keep some of the rust at bay. I hope to bring it home in the next few weeks.

The offer for the parts in NJ appears to be valid. I hope to get more information next week. Also, the owner's widow has a 912 Porsche of unknown year but in very good shape that is taking up a bay in her garage. I will be working with Bill and Stef to help her find a new home for the car. If anyone might be interested, let me know and I'll do what I can to find out more information on it.

Pulling up the drive:


I really need to find out the deal with the duck decal!


Uniroyal.


Tires still have air!


Umm, I think these flares are not going to work any more...


Looking back






Scheer seats!





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Quick little update. I'll be bringing it home on May 2nd. YAY! I got an email today from Bill, the former navigator for some of the races with the car, I had asked him for anything he might remember:

"I can't help with its origin and only remember a few specifics about
rallies that Al and I ran with it.  Two Alcan 5000s ('85 an '86, I
think), two 24 Horas de Mexico (out of Mexico City - don't recall the
dates), an occasional SCCA Pro Rally.  My early rallying with Al (from
1968 through the early '70s) was in his 911 (not the Targa - he got that
a lot later but never rallied it)."

Now I have a few points to research and see if I can find more details on. The widow is going to donate some photos and information to the cause as well.


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Now that is a fantastic find! Glad to see you're going to return it to it's former glory too. Best of luck and keep us updated!


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Thanks! I let google do the walking tonight and ...

...I started some research and found:

in the Budweiser Forest Rally Chillicothe, Ohio, SCCA PRO Rally Championship, August 27-29, 1982, this car was number 13 and finished 49 out of 75 starters over the 273 mile course, 9th in class. Overall winner was John Buffum in an Audi Quattro with Rod Millen a close second in an RX-7.

Lancia/Wonder Muffler Press On Regardless Rally Marquette, Michigan SCCA Pro Rally Championship November 8-9, 1975 it finished 41nd after DNF behind winner Sobieslaw Zasada  from Poland in a Porsche, 66 cars started, 32 finished.

The 1982 Texas Big Bend Bash press release had this "Al Schmit was originally listed as the second place finisher with Bill Todd in their Volkswagen Beetle 1600 making the provisional results a sweep for Volkswagen of America. However, when stage 11 got thrown, Schinit dropped to 6th. "

There is a lot more as I go through the results on the Rally Racing News site.

Finished 15th in the Northern Lights rally in 82, 9th in the Miller Centenial

THIS IS SOOO COOL!!

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nice find  and yes please keep us informed on project, I for one is interested in seeing it go back to race statis. It looks to be in very good shape for what I remember of nothern beetles. How often was it driven on road?  I got into beetles because they made great winter cars in upstate NY, I could go where 4 wheel drives where stranded. That would have been the ultimate  But the salt took its toll on them.



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Thanks for the comments! According to what I've been told to this point, it was used for rallys and not as a street car, but it was driven to and from most races, not sure if was all of them or not, but I do know it was driven to and from the Big Bend Bash (NH to TX and back) because that is one of the stories that was shared with me by the navigator.

I'd like to get it back to at least being able to do some vintage racing, or at least that is my current goal. I do not want it to sit, this was made to run and run it will (though it would be cool to do up a Bus or SC/DC as a tow vehicle!).
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